Speaker 1: 0:12

I think that Pilates helps me. Very difficult for her to do strength training, even though even there I can think of some how to do the training more comfortably. And she says Pilates helps me to maintain my posture. It's very difficult for me to maintain my posture. I don't care, even if she says I'm scared right now and I'm not in a personal contact with her. I say, please you do it. That's exactly the point.

Speaker 1: 0:40

Of course it's a point between the slow yes, that's what I'm saying. It's very important because it's between the slow to the person, to the patient. Let's call it that in a point-based way. The tool you don't have to I don't want to use the word but in some small way we'll sort out the situation for a moment and then he'll go back to strength training.

Speaker 3: 1:36

In front of the real situation and now they got Tal Ben Moshe. Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:41

Almost a decade A decade.

Speaker 3: 1:44

That's it. I think I also recently published it in a story and you also told me about it that I follow Tal's content even before I, like myself, knew anything Before a decade. Where was I? 2015? Yes, I was a little before 2014,. I was a little before the beginning of the painting in Zuna and I really remember that, like I saw your content and I was like Thank you, and I think that's the biggest thing right, you're right, but the biggest thing for the Zona and Kosher community and that's it. So, first of all, thank you for coming to have a talk and to have a talk, and it's super fun and super honorable for us.

Speaker 1: 2:37

And well, let's introduce yourself to the rest of my story. Well, so I'm Tal and I, in my essence, practice kosher, although I also have a degree in psychology, but that's not what I do. I've been practicing Koshar for about 24 years. In 2016, I joined three partners and founded the group of speakers on Koshar and EVB nutrition, which was not a Facebook community, which still exists, of course the biggest community in the entire field of Koshar and nutrition based on science and based on ideas.

Speaker 1: 3:04

The reason we established this community was because we saw that there are a lot of subjects that are not based on not serious, not scientific, and, of course, anyone who does a diet defines himself as a dietician and anyone who ever trains defines himself as a fitness trainer, and we tried to fix that. To this day, we are trying to fix it by means of laws that there are a lot of people have defined as too extreme and draconian. That means that we cannot respond without scientific research and there are many professional people who hold it. That means that we are trying to respect the quality of the answers, that people really know how to base what they say and, in the end, we give a content that is much more professional. Today the community is almost 100,000 friends and over the years we have also developed in other directions.

Speaker 1: 3:52

For example, I started more alone in the country to develop courses, workshops. The first course I did was a primary thinking course and research reading, which his inspiration was really for professional people from the field of health, physiotherapy, health who wanted to understand what we were talking about. After all, we are all researchers. But מחקר שהיהוד שלו היה באמת לאנשי מקצוע מתחום התזונה, הפיזיותרפיה, כושר, שרצו להבין על מה אנחנו מדברים.

Speaker 1: 4:08

הרי כולם מחקרים, מחקרים, מחקרים, אבל רוב אנשים לא יודעים לקרוא אותם, כולל, אגב, אנשים שיוצאים מתארים אנשים ש עשו א�, they did a PhD, and I think it was two of them who did a PhD in physics, and they came to do this course because they tried to give this world with their eyes wide open and to let people get involved in the subject. My dream, by the way, is to bring him into schools so that children will learn it in a better way, and that's less or more. I try as much as possible to introduce science and research to people and as much as possible to spread some kind of a myth, a myth of I call it the faith of opposition, to teach people the importance of this world in contrast not in contrast together with the European world, which has already received its credit for a long time. I try to give it some aspect that is a bit different. So I try to שקיבל כבר את הקרדיט שלו במשך המון שנים.

Speaker 1: 5:07

אני מנסה לתת איזשהו אספקט שהוא קצת שונה. אז יוצא לי לעשות את זה הרבה מול רופים, מול מוסדות שונים.

Speaker 3: 5:11

וזה בדרך כלל מה שאני עושה בימיום וכמובן שאני גם מאמן בחלק גדול מהיום לישון ג'ש with the important question. Let's get straight to the point. We want today, for the sake of the matter, to get to the point, and we're starting to look for information on the net, on Instagram, on Facebook. What are the common mistakes that you can point out to them, that people do when they look for information on the net?

Speaker 1: 5:38

How do we get to the point quickly? That was the first thing that was problematic, because in the end, when a person looks that is the thought of the person his first search starts to enter a kind of frame I'll call it that which is already crazy. But the same person who will do such a search, he will also be caught in a lot of publications, and a lot of publications are confused. And I would go a step back. I think most people don't know or don't understand how to lower the weight correctly, that is, you don't understand the basis of, I'm just saying, the energy balance in the body and what we need to do and how we need to do it, and therefore they are messing up and it's much easier for them to go to places that are problematic. So I can say some point that is important from my point of view, that the world of science is a very problematic world in its essence. The world of research in science is very problematic because it's a world that is far from being accurate science it's not physics and it's not chemistry where we have laws and much more organized things, and the moment there's such a world, it's much easier for charlatans to enter the door and start developing all kinds of things. If a charlatan came over now and said to physicists here I found a new law in physics, they would throw it away and reveal it on the stairs in a second. In the financial world that doesn't happen. In the financial world there's a chance that, by the way, not only in the financial world, but in Shabbat Shalom, if you chose a professional person who would introduce his name and see if he appears in the forums, by the way, this does not mean that there are other professionals whose thoughts can be excellent, but this is a very, very good finger rule. By the way, it also does not encourage that the person you are going to invite to your office, but it does give a certain framework that a professional person learned okay, learned a lot of time, and when a person learns a lot of time, it is something specific. He is also much more attached to him than a ish.

Speaker 1: 7:43

Mekzoa lamed lamed. Harbe zman v'k'she ben adam lomed. Harbe zman zeshu masho. Mesoyam u gam harbe yoter mechuyav elav m'asher ben adam shasak hushe shloshah chodeshim v'lo eshkiya beze kokach. Harbe zman az ze masho shum tkhinati u maod kredit.

Speaker 3: 7:55

Mekon gama Like. In the end, if a professional who received an insurance from the state for the sake of it a clinical diet does something that is super, super against the recommendations, then you can ask for an insurance, and if you don't have the insurance to start, then there's nothing to ask for and then you can do what you want.

Speaker 1: 8:17

Exactly. It doesn't mean, by the way, that the Ministry of Health will ask for it quickly because they're a bit slow in their work, but in general, yes, there a little bit in their work, but in general, yes, there are some ethical rules that need to be followed. There is a recipe that can be asked, there are sanctions that can be done, and that's it.

Speaker 4: 8:35

That's it it's very difficult that there is all the story of. I hear a lot of people who are against the order of. I hear a lot of people who oppose the word chain of a diet, a clinical diet, and many times I say a clinical diet is the place to go, and I hear a kind of feedback like no, I'm not in the category of a clinical diet, I'm more into the world of nutrition or To the natural health.

Speaker 4: 9:11

And then I also hear advice, nutrition advice that also look very much at the clinging to the clinical diet that she went through and studied and researched, and that's something that's strange to us.

Speaker 1: 9:29

I think that many times dietitians don't do their job as they should and don't explain the essence of their profession, and that's something, by the way, that I encountered for a long time. We in our group I can't say from my experience we tried to advance, we still try to advance. A lot of diethanins. That means there are questions in the group about nutrition, especially in the clinical aspects of nutrition. So we are increasing the answers to the clinical diethanins and a lot of people really got upset and got angry. But also the clinical diethanins often don't do us a light job on this subject. That is things that were said about us, for example, in closed forums of diatons which did not see me personally. We try to support you, we try to help you as much as possible and you are not exactly going hand in hand with us. No, really there was during the second year. It was a little more comfortable.

Speaker 1: 10:20

But I think the general audience does not understand the importance of studies and does not understand the difference between a clinical diet, what he learns in his lifestyle, how he does things, why it's true. What do you think? Rotem and people who are a bit more educated from the beginning. They don't have so much to go where? If they're not in the private sector and they're not like, who's going to take care of them? Actually, only they themselves.

Speaker 3: 10:46

So, yes, they're much more successful, I think, in the market and it's something that today, I think that more and more people will wake up to. But most dieticians very wise, brave, and that's also really people that I'm looking at don't see them on the networks, and then people don't have this knowledge. People don't have this knowledge that there's, wow, a lot of knowledge that you just don't see it because there's this feeling that you're not on the network, you don't exist Really. The day people call me, they're interested, so they want, they tell me like where can I see your page, your Instagram? They're like that's, from their point of view, some kind of measure for such what kind of professional you are. And, yes, yes, that's the situation today.

Speaker 1: 12:16

I definitely see more professional people on Instagram, on TikTok. I think it's a bit of a problem, but I think it's a bit of a problem. I think it's a bit of a problem, but I think it's a bit of a problem. I think it's a bit of a problem. I think it's a bit of a problem. I think it's a bit of a problem. I think it's a bit of a problem. I think it's a bit of a problem.

Speaker 3: 12:41

I think it's a bit of a power.

Speaker 1: 12:44

Well, that's a very, very, very interesting question. I'm happy to be here and explain this point that I think is often overlooked, because maybe I also overlook the message, because I like to sometimes get upset. But I'll tell you in detail what I think and where things are overlooked.

Speaker 1: 13:03

All the best Roten? Yes, the question is about the issue. So first we need to come and understand what are the general recommendations that we have. That is, these recommendations are based on a very, very large amount of research that we have that shows us the advantages, for example, in the development of power training and in the development of the World Health Organization, which show us the advantages, for example, of performing strength training I'll talk about what strength training is in a moment and of performing aerobic activity. The World Health Organization, by the way, all sports organizations in the United States there's ACSM, nsc, it doesn't matter. They've defined themselves as something that's at least quite conspicuous. But the World Health Organization's recommendations talk about X aerobic activity per week and 2-3 strength training now I and two or three strength exercises. Now we'll get to this story In the elderly population week. At least two strength exercises in the elderly population week.

Speaker 1: 13:50

Why do we usually recommend these? That is, what do we gain from these strength exercises? From my point of view, there are a few very important criteria, which are muscle strength improvement, muscle mass improvement, muscle mass, maintaining muscle mass and, of course, a lot of health benefits that we have. In order to achieve these benefits, we need to read a number of characteristics. We need to read a number of characteristics during the training itself. It's supposed to be strong enough, the muscles need to be strong, the level of the exercise needs to be good, the exercises themselves need to work on all levels of the instructor must be good, the trainees themselves must work on all levels of the movement and, in general, it can also be said that most of the research that showed us these things was based on classical strength instructors, that is, people who went to the Koshar machine, did trainings such and such, such and such and such and such, two trainings, three. They don't change right now, but this is the constellation.

Speaker 1: 14:52

And foreign is Okay, but I don't know about it. For now I don't know about it. And if I don't know about it and not only that, I don't know about it I also have visions that show that in some of the things Pilates doesn't have the same effect. Pilates doesn't build a muscle that is similar to a strength training. There are very good reasons for that. The muscle itself doesn't grow in the same way, and I don't know if you can hear me or not, because there's less research. But according to the coronas, the journey that we know that we call Pilates' spiritual training. It's usually not supposed to happen, like in strength training.

Speaker 1: 16:11

So how can I come and say this? Because of that, I often tell people to finish with the central things. Stand by the recommendations, do two strength training a week with higher intensity, close that door and then add Pilates. But if someone comes and says to you, okay, come and do Pilates instead, or Pilates will replace, so there I have a problem. Now it doesn't mean that this is something that happens in a great way and every Pilates practitioner does it. It really doesn't.

Speaker 1: 16:36

There are many Pilates practitioners who say come and do strength training and then you'll be fine with it. You'll be fine, there's no problem with it, my it. But he doesn't know what our productivity is in a good way. So I come and put it in place. Come on, we're doing this for x, y, z. You do this, you learn why you're doing this and then you move on to other things. So it's obvious that some people have problems with this recommendation. I don't see it as a problem, but it's okay, it's all good. Yes, yes, I want to hear a lot that I really. I even feel that I don't know how to answer it, because the statement is so wrong. And how can you explain it to someone who is wrong, who tells me this yes, but it shortens the muscles, and then Pilates cuts the muscles, and I don't even know how to answer it.

Speaker 3: 17:19

So it's a serious issue that it's one issue, by the way, another question that I really don't know how to deal with is that I really recommend to people the recommendations of health organizations in the clinic 150 Erobi and two more strength exercises. Of course that's the basis. But then they say to me but if I did Pilates, then where did it get me? I don't know, but they want to do Pilates there's a few things here.

Speaker 1: 18:03

There's one thing, more important thing, which is epistemological. That is, how do we know things? Most people know things based on personal experience. You know what I mean Based on personal experience, based on what he said, what she said. We need to come and explain to people that our source of information, how do we know what is better? We need to get to the world of research. It's not that simple, by the way, to do it From the general activity of Pilates. It's general activity, that is, it's not defined. I would say that if a person does nothing and has the option to do Pilates, to do Pilates, he will have problems with it. I have no doubt that he will have some kind of problem. I assume that he will also have a small weight I don't know how to confirm it because they didn't check it as it should be and well-being and things in the segment.

Speaker 3: 18:53

In comparison to nothing, it's clear that it's better.

Speaker 1: 18:56

Exactly for sure. But we're not talking about comparison to nothing, and that's one of the arguments that people come up with and say it's better than nothing, right, and one of the arguments that people make is that it's better than nothing, right, right, everything is better than nothing. But we want to teach the person who is in front of us, to explain to him what the order of advantages is, and then he will choose. But first of all, he should know, first of all, he should know what the recommendations are. First of all, he should know what he is going to fight for, and then he will decide.

Speaker 4: 19:18

I am now going to be the teacher for Pilates, who will talk to you in a moment.

Speaker 1: 19:24

Wow, I'm getting a feeling for it. I'm getting a feeling for it. No, but I'm not.

Speaker 4: 19:29

I'm not, it's just that.

Speaker 3: 19:30

I'm not very interested.

Speaker 4: 19:33

No no no, so I really speak as a teacher for Pilates for 19 years and at the same time, I've been a teacher for 19 years and I have a few things I want to say. One, as someone who experienced two hurricanes and, in the spirit of the establishment, I also was born twice, so I can say that Pilates saved me during the period of the recovery, because it was also twice a cancer and it was a cancer that developed and everything I could do to not get sick, I would get sick all the time. So everything I could do it was really Pilates, but the most comfortable thing there is. I was able to do it. It was Pilates but the most relaxed there was. And also in the first rehearsal, right at the end of the rehearsal, I did a lot of Pilates exercises, which I never did and I haven't done since. It was very, very helpful, very. That's first of all, the return of rehearsal and after the internal separation, it is very, very helpful. On the other hand, everyone who has been with me on my platform also knows that Pilates is our relaxing time.

Speaker 4: 21:01

Yes, that is to say, we have a pretty intensive strength training one day. The day after that it can be. It depends on what strength training we did, but it can be that it will be Pilates training. The day after that it will be apparently a slightly more functional training, and so on, and so on, and so on. And I also talk about the fact that Strength training is king. That's the first thing. That's the first thing in front of everything, everything, everything. And yes, in days when my body is tired, it's very difficult for me, in days when I don't move, don't practice. So that's where Pilates entered.

Speaker 1: 21:41

Excellent. I think, however, that there is a very important point here, and this, by the way, many times, the gossip that I saw in the media is the personal message against the general message. That means many times I saw well, it was classic, but Pilates instructors came out on me because they took it to their personal world. Now, that's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 22:01

I'm not saying okay, we have someone after a meeting very difficult to do a strength training, even though there's also I can think of something that's like how to do the training more comfortably and say Pilates helps me to keep my posture. It's very difficult to keep my posture. I don't care. Even if she says I'm scared right now and I'm not in a personal contact, I say Baruch don't do it at all, because that's the shortening of the real situation.

Speaker 4: 22:51

So I have to. Yes, I'm very, very connected with everything you said, and even more than that. There are people who may not like it, who will hear it, but I have a little bit of hope that comes to me and their goal is to cut the body through Pilates. She, I, I don't know, and that's all your training and you won't. So you're going to have strength training and we'll probably read it Pilates or whatever you're going to read and maybe we'll do a few exercises like that. But in the end we'll do the sets and we'll do the returns, because it's so important, right?

Speaker 3: 24:23

right, and it reminds me that this idea that there is between what recommendation I'm releasing to the wide world of doing strength training, eating less par par no, but he worked this and that.

Speaker 3: 24:48

It's fine, so again it could be that in personal treatment I don't know, just like, for example, that I can say a lot of times on the networks I will be sick every day. I also recommend to be sick. Yes, it could be that someone will come to me and she will have a hard time getting sick, so don't be sick. Does that mean that this tool of daily sickness is a bad tool or a great tool, not good or not excellent? It doesn't work for you and in treatment we'll decide not to.

Speaker 1: 25:11

It doesn't work for you. It's very important because I've been caught in this situation many times. I've met a researcher in daily life in a very good way. I've looked at him so much and again his research doesn't show the problem with people was eating disorders. Many times and I say, okay, a lot of the research doesn't show that.

Speaker 1: 25:26

Now, if you come to me, I don't advise on things, but let's say I was advised and a girl came to me in her teenage years who was always a bit of a burden on her and I was going to tell her that this is the tool she needs to use and of course not I would suggest other things if at all. But for a person let's say it like this for's also the weakness of general policies. They often miss the individual and they miss nuances and you can't write every nuance in every article and in every post. It's very, very annoying, but yes, so people catch you a lot of times in their world because they see themselves and then they say, okay, I have this problem and my problem makes me do what you recommend to them.

Speaker 3: 26:41

So how do you say it Wait, let's take ourselves out of Next. Next אומר לי דבר כזה. אני אומרת לו למי היית הולך אם חלילה היה לך סרטן? היית הולך לרופא אונקולוג או למישהו שחלילה מסרטן למי היינו הולכים ואמרנו הדבר השלישי, אנשים שמתבססים בעצם על הניסיון האישי שלהם, דברים כמו כן. And then he got down to the table and that's it. What other things do we have that we can use to tell that the person in front of us is not a good professional?

Speaker 1: 27:17

I don't know if he's not a professional. But you know, what I talked about is not a time, it's a lecture that I need to broadcast. It's often I say how do they know what they know? So we said about if that professional learned to spread it. It's Many times I say how do they know what they know? That is, we said about the fact that they, if that professional learned, as you say, if he is based on scientific literature, okay, what do they benefit from it? Many times it's a very important question.

Speaker 1: 27:41

If a person has some interest. Now, this is not about interest. Everyone on interest, everyone probably has some interest. Everyone wants to make money. But the question is does this interest destroy reality or change things? If it's the world of the additional, then we know that the interests there are much higher, much bigger. Bombastic statements, equal guarantees usually, as I said, there's no ability to give opinions to what they say. Wow, there are so many things that we can enter into. We need to Really. Yes, yes, my first podcast was how to Understand Bullshit and there's a very, very long list of things I entered into and it's amazing. But again, it's usually how they know what they know what they benefit from it, and that's usually my general direction, and here you can develop it.

Speaker 3: 28:35

Okay. So I have a different question. There are a lot of add-ons today and it's a topic that I didn't have time to talk about on the page, and then a lot of people I was stuck. It was after the episode about the robberies and I had some kind of rill that exploded and I started getting names of a billion additives check this, check that, check that and I didn't manage to get to everything in a short time. Yes, I did a few of the things that were more obvious. I talked to them on the networks. Do you know any additives, probiotics apart from the five additives that we know creatine, betal anine, sodium bicarbonate, caffeine and what five there's?

Speaker 1: 29:18

another one, that's it.

Speaker 3: 29:20

Apart from those that are generally sports, nutrition and not related to weight loss. Apart from all of these, there's something that we know that people who are involved in sports such a difficulty. There's something that we know Mishkal chutz, mikol ele. Yesh mashu shanachnu yudim shanashim shem itaskeen besport kosher kaze. Yesh mashu shanachnu yudim kolamini apitriyot hachadashot ale. Ashvagad apitriyat reamat haariye kvar ani lo kevet achriyat shemo.

Speaker 1: 29:40

Bo'i, nire, bo'i, asiti, gam azen, foreign, if you should know something that we can recommend. To creatine, by the way, all the supplements that we have, both for sports supplements and for exercise, have a small effect. Small in the best case. I mean small. I'll call it in the statistical language 0.2, it's something that will expand, okay, its effect. And creatine, by the way, just recently, a year ago, there was some very nice analysis that showed that the muscle mass was also reduced, very, very, very small. It depends on. There's some difference between the measurements they made. Once the type of measurement doesn't change at the moment, the effect is quite small. Caffeine the effect is small. Beta-alanine under certain constellations, still, the effect is small.

Speaker 1: 30:41

So, most of the chances that we don't find now some kind of addition with a bombastic effect, all the additions we had probably a bombastic, very, very serious Regarding all the rest of the things. That's why I came here or die. Exactly. What are the opinions? What is the height of the opinions that this has? And because of that, it's very important for me to teach and for people to learn to be more critical, skeptics and to read research so that they can find the information alone. But today I'm going to all the literature, the research, and I see exactly what you said about Ashwagandha and the solution you said. It's really something that has been going around a lot. So Ashwagandha has information here and there, studies that are usually small, small studies have a bias, a bias that can be very big. We don't know enough, for example, on creatine. You have hundreds of studies, hundreds of studies from many years, from many groups, with a very clear mechanism. So these are things that need to be excluded. We want to know that there is some kind of mechanism, that there is some kind of clinical effect. That is serious, that a study finds some kind of effect and it writes okay, we saw a improvement in XYZ.

Speaker 1: 32:03

You always have to ask is this effect relevant to me? Does this effect have a certain meaning? I'm trying to explain this to a lot of people with the help of, for example, diets. You add weight loss because people understand it intuitively A long time ago maybe still people are chasing this idea that green tea can help weight loss and then you add the whole thing and you see what the effect is.

Speaker 1: 32:26

And then, if you see that the effect is, let's say, 300, 400, 500 grams after 12 weeks of research in the sense that everything was done in a perfect way and there's no bias and there's no mistakes, and all the researchers really show the real effect. Then what will it help you? You took another 500, you gained, let's say, another half a kilo, which is not always at all. According to other studies, you don't know where it comes from In order to use a supplement that you don't know how it will affect you in the long run. There are also studies in the literature on problems in the liver as a result of using a green tea. It doesn't spread. It happens.

Speaker 3: 32:59

I didn't know that In high-risk facilities.

Speaker 1: 33:00

We'll send you In high-risk facilities. It doesn't really spreads, but things that are likely to happen. So we're talking here about a possibility against an action. How much money do you want to use, not just in the market, but in an addition that sells green tea, egcg or anything that doesn't exist? How much money do you spend on it? Now, this is just when we're talking about additions that we might somehow be able to adjust their effect.

Speaker 1: 33:43

Half a kilo. We can adjust. Let's assume half a effect. It's the most general thing that can happen. You can take the supplement, okay. Does it actually improve the immune system, yes or no? I don't know how do I deal with it. How do I see it? So next year I just cut it. I say a week, and three years after that I didn't cut a week. Is it because of the supplement? Is it not what would happen if I didn't take what's called counterfactual? We never know what would happen. We can't know the. I don't need to show you the Israeli Ministry of Health.

Speaker 1: 34:38

In the United States, you can take this supplement out to the market until FDA catches you. That is, if you wrote something that is not possible of course on the website, until FDA catches you, it can be outside. Wrote something that is not acceptable of course on the table, until the FDA catches you, it can be outside. People can use it. It happens all the time. In fact, you can put sand as a box of carbon dioxide, sell it if no one will complain about you.

Speaker 1: 35:00

When will the FDA do something that is in the past and they will catch it that there is sand and I'm talking about the vaccine. I'm just kidding. If there's a hole and not a carbon footprint, then it's a problem, but until then there's no problem with that. In other words, most of the add-ons we can't even measure them. We can't measure their value as it should be. So what's the point To take an add-on that's supposed to reduce my deletion when I can't measure deletion as it should be on my day-to-day? These are, and because of that I say we need to enter research to understand the effects of things because a lot of the things we cannot measure them in the eye, and also the ambiguity.

Speaker 4: 35:44

You can play a lot with the p-value and therefore where the research appears to be important, I just think about people who maybe do a search and find all kinds of things that are published in stories.

Speaker 1: 35:59

So because I always say we don't first of all finish the first research that we jumped in front of our eyes. We start, even if we want to deal with some kind of action, of something specific. We I usually say to people look for the position of large bodies okay. Also be skeptical.

Speaker 1: 36:14

After that plan for meta-analysis, reminders, look at the complete literary integration. Look at the correct questions. Is the supplement relevant to me? I am the population that is being studied okay, if it's a supplement that works on type 2 diabetes and I'm not like that, so is it relevant to me? Okay? Okay, it's not enough to say a little bit about activity. We want to see things that, in the end, are hard-to-finish points, not just-to-finish points, but things that really have a certain impact. A drop I mean a drop in the rate of heart disease, and not just a drop in LDL levels, even though they have a very important value. A drop in I don't know, excuse me a change in the synthesis of the blood-brain after treatment? Okay, these are things that are very important to understand. There are changes that are called I call them surrogate changes, and changes that are supposed to come and tell us, on a marker, what is supposed to happen in the future, and it doesn't always work like that.

Speaker 4: 38:00

Yes, I, it's the world I'm in. I ran a little bit. Did you take your royal jelly today? Do you know what that?

Speaker 1: 38:08

is yes, yes, yes, it's the the words, right, what was?

Speaker 3: 38:12

it what, what was it it was milk.

Speaker 1: 38:14

I don't know if it still exists it still exists. There's also this research sometimes.

Speaker 3: 38:19

Yes, explain to me and to all the people who don't know, why do you?

Speaker 4: 38:23

Now, I hate milk. I hate milk to this day. Okay, I would say, I took it. I took it, but I didn't take it. And now I think of it, even professionally, like wow, I don't believe. I don't believe that we had this conversation on a daily basis.

Speaker 3: 39:00

Wait. So what does the research say about this, if we really have it? I don't know about the research.

Speaker 1: 39:05

I don't remember the research because it's not the field I'm interested in. But let's say, in this case, if I wanted to answer this question, I would go and look for major meta-analysis that shows that taking a drop of milky water causes a lower risk of developing diseases or diseases of the winter. Yes yes, yes.

Speaker 3: 39:58

Research on serious, long-term, large interventions and something you can observe here and there. Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 4: 40:03

Yeah, so.

Speaker 1: 40:28

It's very logical that a woman takes a ball and then suddenly everything works out. It's so easy, simple. On the other hand, there are also those who are now opposed to all the vaccines and everything else.

Speaker 3: 40:39

What is our opinion on vaccine opponents? Wait, I want to ask an important question If I get vaccinated, if Dee vaccinated her children, will it raise the risk of autism? No, no, we won't.

Speaker 4: 40:49

My pressure will just no we don't think so, my pressure will simply rise. My pressure will simply rise.

Speaker 3: 40:57

She just does good things for Rils.

Speaker 1: 41:02

So the point is that a very, very, very, very large research, both in terms of autism and in terms of other things, are usually known. You know exactly when, not when, but how. Gdola gam be'ekshar shel otizm gam be'ekshar shel dvareim achereim tofaut leva yeduot bederek la zomat eto'o dea lekamet matay kama zomat lo matay abel kama maa shkichut maa sikun mi mutar mi asur okay Ze mashu shenachnu shuv gam ayom ze. I mean, people are forcing me to take the corona, the corona vaccines, and not the childhood vaccines. So usually we do. The day I say the vaccine is coming, the first response that comes to them is yes, but it's a quick vaccine. But I'm not talking about the vaccine of corona, I'm talking about the vaccines of childhood. There are many other vaccines, safe vaccines.

Speaker 1: 41:49

Literature is really, really serious. The whole story with vaccines and autism comes from a uh, but until today it's like that. The interesting thing is why people think like that, even though we see and even though research and science show that there is no problem with it. Now I can say that most people, excuse me, I can say and put everyone in one group and say they are conspirators and don't understand what they do and in that to solve this story and it will come out of the way because it's not necessarily the right thing. It seems that because it's not necessarily the right thing. There are probably a lot of intelligent people, but at the end of the day, when we look, for example, at the increase in vaccine doses and the increase in autism in children, we find a pretty good spread between the dates. That is, I have a very well-arranged table that I show you about the amount of vaccines that are done in the series, that is, for children, and what are the levels of autism.

Speaker 1: 42:58

And then it Right here we also enter the psychology of the parents. The psychology of the parents is often also the self-harm that is, the feeling that something is not okay, the feeling that now maybe I did something that is not good. These are things that can play into people's minds and I completely understand that, even though I am not a parent and then they try perhaps to put it in some external factor in order to feel a little less self-harm, which maybe does not have to be a big deal for those people, and then these things can be a ball of sand. Of course, some of them, as I said, will be conspirators who will not believe anything that will come out of the world of science and some of them will try to find some reason. Afterwards those teachers will come and tell this story to other people.

Speaker 1: 43:48

Maybe they have in general religious differences, it doesn't matter at the moment. A pre-existing restriction from the world of research, from the world of science, I don't know. And then it's a ball of snow that rolls, so it doesn't always fit in with all the tips and it's a very serious problem because it's very, very, very hard to hear the opinion of the opponents of vaccines. I have a friend who is very strong in the Haredi community in Israel, dr Erez Gerty, who really tries to, because there really is a very great certainty of the opposition to vaccines.

Speaker 4: 44:18

Really all the respect to him.

Speaker 1: 44:20

They say in other stories that a whole human body does not need to hear what God has given us and therefore we need to include foreign substances in the body. So every community and this is not just about autism and things like that for each one of his reasons. In the Haredi community we also found many times separations of the carpet, the sun, all kinds of areas like that, again very to emphasize. And then people will come and say but what do you care? I don't infect my children. So these are my children. So כל מה שאמרתי עכשיו לגיטימי. לגבי חיסוני קורונה, שיש ספירות מאוד גדולה על זה. שחיסוני קורונה, בטוחים, הם לא פותחו בשנייה. היה לנו המון חומר מדעי מלפני על הטכנולוגיה הזאת.

Speaker 1: 45:22

זה מאוד חשוב להגיד את זה והדבר שהכי חשוב שאנ they often come and say let's see, there's a high level of infection as a result of the vaccine. Of course they don't know that. But let's say something else when we compare between the population that got the vaccine to those that got infected with the corona because they didn't get the vaccine, we see a much higher level of infection for those who got the corona, who got the virus, what for those who got infected? And there's a certain risk, for example, for myocarditis and things like that. A certain risk, not huge, but the risk after corona exposure is a few dozen, I think more. So where's the logic here Not taking a certain vaccine that protects?

Speaker 4: 46:06

you from the same infection that you're afraid the vaccine will cause. I and Rotem talked about this a while ago, and it's really a topic that's hard for me to explain and it makes me a little nervous because and I'll remind you of something that the vaccine providers.

Speaker 4: 46:23

It's very, very hard for me to deal with. I also come from public health, so vaccines, but I also. We talked about this it's not from people who hear the podcast, but I have to talk about it that like there are mothers around me who don't care for their children and they look me in the eyes and say these are women I love. I have to say these are women I really love. But there's some kind of problem here. They say but there's just a miscarriage, everything's fine.

Speaker 4: 47:04

So I have to collect my message from the floor every time and explain that I'm the reason there's a miscarriage, because I'm vaccinating my children. Your children are possibly in breast cancer.

Speaker 1: 47:22

It's a one-way road. I wouldn't mind if you'd talk to people who would tell you, but how do you do it to your children? That's something that, from my point of view, is super bad, because it's a psychological attack.

Speaker 1: 47:31

It's a blow to everything from my point of view super bad, because it's really an attack on everything. From my point of view and although it may not sound like that, but to me it sounds very like that it's really like that Exactly. It's to put mothers into movies on the basis that you with your problems, you don't have to do things the way you need to Right. People need to understand.

Speaker 4: 47:49

yes, look at their mothers. It's not bad, right? I want to ask you if there are trends. I have, not long ago, encountered a trend against protection cream and I was very afraid of it and I made a podcast about it and, as someone who has so much protection cream and there is a reason for that I want to understand if maybe there are trends that are good for us, because I haven't really seen a trend that is strong and based Trend.

Speaker 1: 48:42

You said cream, I didn't Trend.

Speaker 4: 48:45

Okay, trend, but I also talked about a defense cream.

Speaker 1: 48:49

Okay, I understood that, but Not necessarily that I understood the about protection cream. Okay, okay, I understood that, but it's not like I understood the issue with trends. I mean, if you put protection cream, is it good? No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4: 49:00

I have no doubt about protection cream. My question is is there? So what I'm saying is that I saw a lot of trends that are stupid. Okay, I haven't seen the trend that is really strong and impressive and I say like, wow, what a good thing is happening here in terms of the value of people.

Speaker 3: 49:18

You're not just defining a trend, because you can also call a drug a trend and it works. And you can also call a.

Speaker 4: 49:25

So I'm talking about social media. It's not a trend. It doesn't work. I have to think about it. So I talked to social media it's really I'm really saying, let's look at this trend I don't put on protection cream and all kinds of things that I saw a lot of reviews. I'm talking about the opposite. If there was something like that, yes, that maybe I missed.

Speaker 1: 49:42

It's a good idea.

Speaker 3: 49:42

Yes, it doesn't seem to me that someone will start a trend.

Speaker 1: 50:07

Let's all y'all. I think exactly the opposite things, the provocative things, are more common than the other things. But it's interesting. It's an interesting question. We need to check it. Wait, I have another question.

Speaker 3: 50:19

If we're already on the subject of trends, I recently recommend dietitians to my clinic. It's a exciting call to all dietitians who want to join. And a lot of them send me life lessons and there are no works in any company and it's strange to join. And a lot of people send me life-threatening calls and there's no work in any company. And it's obvious to me and I said to myself that I need to dig deeper in the subject and understand what exactly why it succeeds that a diet is suitable according to your gene or something like that. What I hear is nonsense. But I see, wow, and so many dieters work there. Send me life-threatening calls mhm, mhm, mhm, mhm, mhm, mhm mhm, mhm, mhm, mhm, mhm, mhm, mhm.

Speaker 1: 51:15

Uh, can do that, and if you can't do it, you can do it more, and if you can do it, you can do it less. I'm just saying there's no basis for these things seriously and there's nothing to be said. That is, this is exactly the place where the business promotes the science. Okay, there was this, even with recommendations. According to the KMA. There's a certain company I won't say that it's not long-term Now. It could be that the foot of the shoe as a very bad economic model, but it could also be that simply, her business did not work.

Speaker 1: 51:56

I can say that from a scientific point of view, there was no advantage to a diet on the level of what they recommended. It could very well be that in the future we will understand this more in depth. Right now, everything related to these things is not based, that is, I can't say that there's a need for these things. Anyone who wants to go on a diet let's say a clinical diet will get a regular recommendation or a regular prescription for this or that diet and the results will be good to that extent, if not probably better. These are exactly the classic things to implement in the research of nutrition. You take one group of people who are on a diet. Better, these are exactly the classic things to do in the research of entrepreneurship.

Speaker 1: 52:34

You take a group of people, give them a recommendation on the benefit of genetic testing. Take another group of people. Give them a general recommendation without genetic testing. By the way, you can create here something opposite To give a calorie reduction to those people with a recommendation, with a certain food that they don't need to eat, to put it in their diet without them knowing of course, but still with a calorie deficit, and to see if there's a difference. There are other things. It's a nice manipulation, but they show that at the end of the day there's no difference.

Speaker 1: 53:00

Like the diet according to a blood type. Okay, so here too there are studies that show. Give a person with a blood type O a diet according to a blood type A. Every time there's a calorie drop it goes down in the blood mass without any difference between the groups. That means that the factor that tries to determine the effect of the blood type on the blood loss in the blood mass doesn't exist. It's not related to that. But again, after this topic that genetics is very interesting. I don't consider it at all that there's some kind of certain rationality that in the future I want to ask a small question to conclude, and maybe Rotem will want to as well.

Speaker 4: 53:34

My question is can you tell me about a case and this is really a case that really surprised me where you were really caught in a situation where someone just fought with you another day, another day in the office on your opinion, phone calls, threats, including a threat not long after I was forced to call the police, which of course did nothing.

Speaker 1: 54:57

It's not so much a threat, but I think that, again, the classic things are usually because of the vaccines, because they are really an population it's very, very, very, very difficult to get in there and try to change anything.

Speaker 1: 55:15

It's more of a distraction. It's less of a situation of really like. I'm sure there were moments when I got hit, but it's usually a distraction because anything you add to that person won't change his mind and it will always change the time. By the way, it's one of the mistakes I learned over the years is often not to just enter discussions to set the information. Shanae da'at tov ze t'mid yibazbeze t'azman Agav ze yahan me'al hekachim shelemaneti le'orech kol ha'shanim e'al ha'ze harbe' pamim lo li'yikanes. Pashut le'diyonim la'atzif ta' me'ida shagim te'vash kach Ki ze yachol ligror yom ve'yamim afilu, but only and those are very, very, very irresponsible recommendations. I also had a lot of arguments there, but it's hard for me to put my finger on something. One maybe, because there were so many.

Speaker 4: 56:19

No, that's the answer. Actually. It's a super interesting answer and a very clear part.

Speaker 1: 56:28

And I can't explain to people how many things are happening in the networks that don't get close to being correct. I don't know them as staff members, but there are two main people that we'll talk about after the recording that are spreading a lot about cancer and for protection. There's a podcast of some guy that the ID Defense must publish against him a letter and the letter won't do anything, but this letter will be able to be used by the public and will be able to be used as a help from him. At least you know what. It probably wouldn't help at all because probably whoever incites him the Queen of Heela doesn't care what the Ministry of Defense will say. Maybe they took it as some reason for why he's right in what he says and that If the Ministry of Health says he's like that, it seems that he knows what he's saying.

Speaker 4: 57:21

It's sad, and that goes back to what I said at the beginning there are people who, when they say clinical diet, in their opinion it's People have me not with the world of medicine many times.

Speaker 1: 57:34

So, yes, we need to learn more and more about the world of research, what this world is trying to do, not the world of research. I'm not even talking about a scientific publication, but about the scientific method. Why is this method better to study things than our eyes?

Speaker 3: 58:03

So really a message to end with.

Speaker 1: 58:19

If we were to give you a question in a journal for a month, what would you write in it? Oh that. What would you write in it? That's it, that's it.

Speaker 3: 58:30

Nice message Al Ben.

Speaker 4: 58:31

Moshe. Thank you very much, it was fun.

Speaker 1: 58:34

It was fun. We need to do it again.

Speaker 3: 58:36

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